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« on: June 14, 2009, 08:31:11 PM »

Caledonia Militia
by Doug Fleming
June 14, 2009


Enough is enough! Due to the ongoing reality that the OPP refuses to enforce the Criminal Code with regards to people's property rights I am forming the Caledonia Militia to ensure that the criminal code is upheld in Haldimand County.

Section 38 - 42 of the Criminal Code outlines the rights of all citizens to lawfully protect their property against trespassers and against those who would steal private property. Parliament has seen fit to allow citizens the right to use reasonable force to remove trespassers from private property.

The OPP has threatened the legal owners of properties stating they will be arrested instead of the trespassers. Superior courts have already ruled that such arrests by the OPP would be illegal. The Cayuga injunction ruling stated "the police have no right to prevent the plaintiffs from acting within their rights under Section 41 of the Criminal Code. Their warning to the plaintiffs that they would arrest anyone who is involved in a physical confrontation, regardless of the circumstances, is an abuse of the power conferred on them (the OPP) by Section 31 of the Criminal Code".

Any member of the public who wishes to join the Caledonia Militia to aid in the enforcement of the Criminal Code is welcome to attend an information session at Cayuga Lion's Hall, Tuesday, June 23rd at 7 P.M. Hotheads need not apply. We're opposing terrorism, not engaging in it. We will follow established procedures on the use of reasonable force to remove illegal trespassers. Trespassers will be arrested and turned over to the OPP for the prosecution of their offences.

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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 09:45:40 PM »

I whole heartedly back this idea but I'm a little at odds with the name.

This could be a good thing if they stay within the force needed to remove people from properties or make any citizen arrests.

A number of pointers:

1. If it is within their legal right to remove or arrest thugs from their owned property, the group should contact whatever local police enforcement is in the area and inform them of their intentions. It's obvious OPP will not make any arrests, at least they can be useful by acting as witnesses.

2. Document everything either by paper, video and/or photo. Document crimes, names, licence plates, anything that can be used to press charges and create a bigger picture of what you are dealing with.

3. The group should keep in touch and pass along information to RCMP or Tobacco & Firearms. Any suitable law enforcement except the OPP. Exchanging information with the OPP at this moment would surely risk everything you have worked for.

3. Alternate meeting places to avoid being made a target.

4. Document any history of land dealings currently targetted by Aboriginals. Work with the owners and offer aid in the form of that documentation.

5. Create a list of contacts that can be used or relied upong. Create a social network among the group. Contacts such as law enforcement, security companies, private detectives, lawyers, etc.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2009, 10:42:31 PM »

All good points - I would agree that everything needs to be done legally and within the idea of reasonable force.
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 03:32:10 AM »

There are two very good reasons why aboriginal terrorism will never disappear.  First of all; Most of their children are taught to hate from birth.  The poor kids do not even realize that those who mistreated their culture died two hundred years ago.  Secondly; The "Welfare for life" program has to come to an end, or at least have the cheques stopped for any person caught being involved in terrorist activities.  How many countries in this world actually pay people to terrorize their citizens?  I realize that there are many normal aboriginal people who work, pay taxes, and do not get involved in terrorist activities.  I feel bad for those people, as it must be totally embarrassing that so many people of their culture are involved in terrorism.
I fully support Doug Fleming’s subject matter.  Society has to take a stand to protect their property and lives.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 06:12:16 AM »

Why did Doug choose Militia?
I think people would be more inclined to join with a less provocative name such as Citizens Coalition to defend Property Rights or Caledonia Property Owners Association.
We started an association to lobby the government at Ipperwash called Ontario Federation for Individual Rights and Equality.  The natives rammed the hell out of us because they took the first letter of the words and called it ONFIRE  which of course caused all the comments about radicalism, racism ect.   ONFIRE did last for twelve years, and was never proven to or engaged in any racism or radical acts, in fact we invited and encouraged like minded natives to join the organization.
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 06:50:14 AM »

I think the word Militia is just to get people's attention. Legally you cannot use the word since a Militia can only be formed by the Government.

I am sure Doug will pick a different names after the meeting.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 06:54:44 AM »

well this could be interesting....Im all for it great idea.. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 09:55:04 AM »

I think its tactically useful to have a good cop / bad cop (parden the pun) approach (MLK had MX).  I am amazed an organized local push back hasn't happened sooner.

Realistically, an organized militia type group would be an easy target for the native race card. 

I also think in the event of a confrontation, Mainstream Media has been overwhelmingly sympathetic and forgiving to native protesters - militia members will be blamed for any unfortunate outcome at the hand of violent native protesters (the poking the wasp nest analogy).
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 05:59:01 PM »

At the risk of being too verbose, I had to drop my 2cents worth in as someone familiar with the political agendas at play  Grin

Unless this is very intelligently managed and tightly controlled it could get you far more bad PR and legal trouble than you want.

In the mind of todays crown effete there is an almost nonexistent line between the right to citizen's arrest and self defense [an individual right not a collective right] and criminal vigilante gangsterism of a redneck militia or reactionary vigilance committee, - both politically stigmatized and de facto outlawed in conventional jurisprudence. If the Crown acts as if your claim to citizen arrest, self defense, defense of private property and community defense is conventionally invalid or dormant under juridic credo, they will persecute and prosecute you even if you are demonstrably within statute right. It's bad to be lawfully correct when the crown is lawfully disingenuous, - more on this later.

Undertaking the creation of a civilian force of properly informed and trained auxiliary community law patrol force is a staggering organizational and PR job. It will take time, professional LEO input, intense legal training and volunteer screening for the right people. Most of all it will take open minded media cooperation to make the principles at play public knowledge without the usual political distortions.

I do not condemn the idea, I acknowledge Caledonia is in a state of protracted criminal blockade where the constitutionally appropriate rule of law was arbitrarily suspended and soft [race based] martial law invoked. However I question if this form of [lawful] citizen action has been well thought out. It’s one thing to stay within the narrow confines of CCC sections 38 - 42 defined by legal precedent, but as I said previously this may not be enough. You will be legally and civilly justified, even if you are likely to be illegally arrested or assaulted, but reclaiming your legal right to self defense and community security will be a long and costly process when the political-administrative winds blow against you..
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My other worry is that CCC sections 38 - 42 wording provides for a force equals force test of what is reasonable force to stop a criminal act, apprehend a lawbreaker and hold them for, or deliver them into, police custody. Essentially, after you inform the suspect they are under citizen's arrest for breaching XYZ of the criminal code, you have, in pith and substance, all the powers of a peace officer [temporarily and only in the complete absence of police] to;
A) stop the criminal act and
B) to defend yourself from an attack or resistive violence of the suspect lawbreaker by any means equal to the force used against you..

You really have to be prepared to defend yourself against life threatening attack because that's what you face with these violence-threatening trespassing extremists. I prey you can control the situation and your force of citizen police well enough to not escalate the situation into a lethal situation. We don't need any more Sam Gualtieris or Dudley Georges for malpractice media, SN extortionists or reactionary thug-appeasing politicos to exploit.

Frankly. I think the whole ‘militia’ idea is doomed from the start PR-wise. By tagging it as a militia, you mobilize a political trigger word that has been stigmatized by the neurotic media as synonymous with anti-government extremism.  As far as the establishment media and fabian political class are concerned you just handed them a club to kill your movement with. They'd demonize a principled citizen's empowerment movement in a heartbeat. The political stigmatizing sets up the justification for venal authority to deal harshly or illegally with any attempt at exercising citizen's arrest rights. It is hard to exercise a right which the powers that be have spent decades denying exists. You are exercising justified defensive force in lawful defense of yourself, your property, your neighbors, your community and the law when the state has propagated the idea that only they have a monopoly on the use of defensive force.

I cite as my argument the way Curtis Sliwa, respected founder of the Guardian Angels, was treated when Canadian communities asked him here to help set up one of his very successful citizen-run community crime patrols. Here’s a man who is beyond reproach as a community spirited anti crime activist, honored by presidents, mayors and community leaders alike for decades. He was savaged in the Canadian media and roundly demonized by Canadian statocrats, police brass as a “vigilante”. I was shocked at the vitriol heaped on Sliwa for volunteering his time to help empower Canadian citizens take their communities back from the effects of ineffective justice and police systems. Again, the idea that the Canadian police function and the state reserve a monopoly on the use of defensive force was front and center in al the anti community patrol rhetoric.

I say this not to be a doom sayer but only to caution you to one aspect in the political culture war that has raged in Canada's law and legal systems for decades. Influential Fabian statists have been propagating Kafka-esque myths for years to justify removing most traditional individual citizen empowerments and legal and civil freedoms. If you disbelieve me, try defending your property and family against an intruder or assailant with a firearm and watch the statist wigglers crawl out of the woodwork to make the victim [you] the criminal and the criminal who attacked you the victim. Most armed self defense cases are taken to trial by the crown. They become surreal Orwellian theater with traditional civil rights and freedoms clearly discounted by the state’s presumptive omnipotence over the individual. A complete reversal of our inherent classic liberal jurisprudence.

I agree that the CCC right to citizen's arrest and to self defense as well as jury oversight of judicial absolutism are the last remaining vestiges of our traditional civil rights. But be aware that these have been under sustained attack and manipulation at the highest levels for decades and are now heavily truncated in the justice system's operational mindset. Be aware of the waters upon which you intend to tread. There are some very powerful sharks swimming just below the surface.

Using the stigmatized militia label for lawful civilian-actuated civil defense is falling right into their trap.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2009, 07:39:28 PM »

I`m afraid I agree with Mr. Smith.This may be exactly what the indians want to happen . If anything negative happens to an indian, their going to cry and cry and cry. The support from the bleeding heart boobs in this country will definately fall right into the indians hands , which they always have out . I know what I would do if I lived in Caledonia , but I don`t .
I totally understand the need for a group like this since the citizens have no one to turn to for help. Every level has let you down including your own council. Maybe you should hit them where it hurts , in the wallet. Protest
at entrances to the reserve to discourage people from shopping there.
Spread the word to companies that deliver goods to the reserve that everything will be done to discourage people from doing buisness with people that do buisness with terrorists. If I was a merchant , I wouldn`t serve any of them and I would spread the word about any merchant that does , but that`s me , and I will .
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2009, 08:22:03 PM »

We did something in Ipperwash that proved successful for the nine months we engaged in it.
We set up voluntary car patrols with two people in the vehicle between the hours of nine p.m and three a.m.  The Town lent us there radios which were returned each morning at seven a.m. for the Town works crew to use in the daytime, and one person manned the base radio in their home.  If something was amiss,  the team called the base and alerted the police.   Videos were taken discreetly.  At no time did anyone confront the problem.   The police would respond.  That is not to say that they always dealt with it,  but it became known in the area that there were persons patrolling the neighbourhood,  different vehicles used, and the crimes detected could no longer be without witness.   We experienced for this period of time the least problems in the area.  No one really knew except the base radio operator who was on duty each night.   If the police did not report the appropriate crimes witnessed in their media release,  we immediately made the media aware of which areas were hardest hit, and the fact the police were omitting reports.
We also had volunteer walking patrols in the daytime  who took notes on what was happening of a harassment or threatening nature and reported these to the citizens security team and to the police.
The difficulty we had was maintaining enough volunteers to do the job.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2009, 08:31:58 PM »

Although Mr. Smith makes many good point, this has been thought out more than what it appears.

The Militia title was only used to get media attention which it has - the group will not be called the Caledonia Militia.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 02:48:04 AM »

I had a big laugh from the recent article on the Caledonia Militia. One of the Six Nations elected council was quoted to say:

"You shouldn't have militia people. I think it's called anarchy," said VanEvery-Albert.

Hhhmm, you shouldn't have militia people eh? Let's see, Natives dressed in military camoflage clothing, carrying guns, occupying some other country's land and going by the name "the Warriors".

*gasp* VanEvery-Albert is right! So that is what Caledonia has put up with for the past 3 years!
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 11:09:51 AM »

Although Mr. Smith makes many good point, this has been thought out more than what it appears.

The Militia title was only used to get media attention which it has - the group will not be called the Caledonia Militia.

I wish you the best of luck and success in your civilian patrol operation. I believe passionately that the right to self defense, citizen's arrest and security of private property must be taken back from the years of official propaganda used to convince Canadians the state now has a monopoly on these civil duties. It is a large step in taking back civil rights lost to an increasingly obtuse and omnipotent legal system that is often hostile to civil rights which empower the individual.

If it is approached with wisdom, and tact it can be carried off. If so, it will stand as one of the greatest steps forward for individual civil liberty seen in this nation in some time.
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2009, 11:56:28 AM »

Apparently Minister of Aboriginal Affairs says that the Militia is a dumb idea and that he wants the Feds to step up the negotiations.
Earth to Minister Duquid---the land registry system in Ontario is NOT being negotiated.  The services of the OPP in this Province is NOT being negotiated.
Both of the above are under the auspices of the Province to provide safey and security for all who live here.
Better start thinking on your feet Brad.  The electorate is fed up with you and your peers ignoring the lawless behaviour,  ignoring your duty to the people of Ontario and allowing the OPP to ignore crime and not be accountable for those who are victims of that crime.
A Militia may be a dumb idea to you,  but it is dumber for victims of native violence to except their fate no matter what the outcome.  The victims finally got the point.
There is nothing to fear,  but fear itself.
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